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Treat upward influence as a discovery interview, not a sales pitch

By Jessica Fain · VP Product, Webflow; ex-Brightwheel; ex-chief of staff at Slack · 2026-04-28 · podcast · How to influence executives (and why it's not politics)

Tier A · TL;DR
Treat upward influence as a discovery interview, not a sales pitch

Claim

Influence is increasing the odds that good ideas survive, not selling pre-formed conclusions. Treat stakeholder conversations — especially executive conversations — as discovery interviews about what they actually need, what their failure modes look like, and what they are scared of messing up. The pitch becomes stronger because the input is real.

Mechanism

Most pitches arrive at the executive with the answer already chosen and a deck designed to prove it. The exec, who has not been holding the question in their head all week, cannot match the team's certainty and either rubber-stamps or rejects on intuition. Discovery-mode pitching reverses the flow: surface the exec's pressures, fears, and OKR anchors, then design the proposal to address those specific points. The same idea lands harder because it now solves their problem, not yours.

Conditions

Holds when:

Fails when:

Evidence

"Influence is about increasing the odds that your good ideas survive."

"If we treat our stakeholder conversations as discovery interviews as a way to strengthen our ideas, then we end up in a much, much better place."

Replace "what's top of mind?" with sharper prompts: "Tell me what the board is pushing you on." "What pressures are you facing?" "What's the most urgent priority you're scared about messing up?"

— Jessica Fain on Lenny's Podcast, 2026-04-28

Signals

Counter-evidence

For execs who explicitly want a recommendation, full discovery is patronising. The "show your work in the appendix; lead with the recommendation" rule (also Jessica's) handles the exec who wants the answer first. Match the format to the audience.

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